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NDC Leader Accused of Cheating in Quake Live



Jerri ‘Rapts’ Mperdempes has been accused of cheating by very high ranking members of the Quake Live community, who have claimed that his accuracy was well above where his levels actually were and that he was using software to see through walls.

Over a month ago, Garth ‘Garth’ Jones and Micele ‘Szarko’ Aleksandrov (also known by the nick 'Azul') started watching Mperdempes play Quake Live, and took an interest in his style saying there was something “wrong” in the way he played.

Aleksandrov has posted a clip saying he spectated Mperdempes games and recorded them. This video can be seen here.

The argument is, however, a complex one. Aleksandrov used a command available in replays enabling him to see the player opposite to the player he was spectating, which he says is Mperdempes. Aleksandrov and Jones maintain that when looking at Mperdempes' gameplay in this format, they can draw the conclusion that the player being spectated is using a wall hack.

Mperdempes has confirmed that the clip posted on Youtube is him playing. However he denies ever using the wall hack and maintains his kills are legitimate.

“This is simply part of a smear campaign by various members of the community,” he says.

Jones and Aleksandrov are convinced that the accused is using an Aimbot as well as wall hacks, which would allow Mperdempes to have an almost unbelievable accuracy. To offset the accuracy in accordance with the Quake Live online statistics, they claim Mperdempes would apparently shoot randomly at walls to lower his accuracy rate and modify the accuracy of the Aimbot.

“He has poor mouse control, but when he takes out his Lightning Gun (LG), he would almost lock on to players and be insanely accurate,” says Aleksandrov. “He has been around the game for something like 10 years, just like us, so he would obviously know to shoot randomly to offset his accuracy.”

Travis “Shase” Weedon, who recently competed at Dreamhack in a Quake Live tournament in Sweden, has left the NDC clan because he says he doesn’t want to associate himself with cheating. Aleksandrov posted the Youtube clip in the Quake Live channel on IRC in the channel topic.

However, Mperdempes says no member of NDC had confirmed to him that they were leaving the clan.

Unfortunately, even Aleksandrov and Jones admit that no player can prove irrefutably that Mperdempes is cheating. It is simply the judgement of senior Quake Live players that he is cheating, in their opinion. Both Aleksandrov and Jones, both having played in CPL competitions, are convinced of the fact that he is cheating and claim Mperdempes has brought the entire NDC clan into disrepute.

“It’s just disrespectful. Plain and simple. It’s disrespectful to your opponents and your team mates. The guy is cheating and he leads a clan like NDC that has been around for a decade, which consists of respected players from the community,” Aleksandrov claims. He went on to say he will notify ID on their forums of his belief that Mperdempes is cheating and will list two accounts he believes Mperdempes plays on.

Mperdempes says he does not understand why he is being targeted. He says the players accusing him are better than he is anyway and with stats of 159 wins and 179 losses, according to his Quake Live profile, he is not even breaking even yet. His accuracy is listed at 28 percent.

His lightning gun is listed at 27 percent and his railgun at 53 percent (his two most used guns). Mperdempes' highest accuracy is with the shotgun where he has a 78 percent accuracy rate.

Comparing the other two players' same stats: Aleksandrov has a win record of 625 wins and 70 losses on Quake Live. His accuracy is listed at 27 percent. His lightning gun accuracy is 30 percent and his railgun accuracy is 40 percent. He also has an accuracy of 78 percent with the shotgun.

Jones has 162 wins and 174 losses. His accuracy is listed at 29 percent. He has a lightning gun accuracy of 29 percent and a railgun accuracy of 39 percent. His highest accuracy is also with the shotgun with an accuracy of 80 percent.

Mperdempes' railgun statistic seems to be the most surprising compared to that of Aleksandrov and Jones. Furthermore, it can be compared to the railgun statistic of Weedon (44 percent) and Stephen “Ph4ntom” Cloete (43 percent).

Mperdempes took over the leadership of NDC in 1998. He says the clan went quiet on the First Person Shooter front around two years ago after Quake 3 started to die down. However, when Quake Live came along he started to play the game and recruited players like Weedon and Cloete.

“I’ve always stuck to what I am good at: recognising the potential in players and managing players. NDC was a platform to allow players to be competitive, and there was a lot of resentment against NDC when I recruited players like Weedon and Cloete,” he says.

Mperdempes says he is “over this” (the accusations) and lists this current incident as the “cherry on the top” in a long list of smear campaigns against NDC.

It is hoped the Quake Live community will be able to work the issue out, and grow a game which has only recently begun to grow in popularity as players have been able to play on local servers with good ping times.



Article Comments
bvd.Vitrolic
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Thu, 14 Jan 2010, 1:21 pm
Rail Accuracies
DaHang: 45%
Rapha: 45%
Cooller: 47%
Shase: 44%

NDC Rapts: 53%

For those who aren't familliar with these nicknames, they are some of the top players in the World.

And to explain these statistics (in my opinion) it is very unlikely that a local South African has a better rail (on average) than not only our best players, but also professional international players.

Does anyone have anything to add to this? Is it possible that he just has a super-rail?
=BFB= qu1k_sh0t
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Thu, 14 Jan 2010, 3:09 pm
Interesting read, I watched the video and I won't lie it is pretty suspect.

The rail stats are quite interesting though.
bvd.skillbill
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Clan: Bravado Gaming
Thu, 14 Jan 2010, 6:34 pm
The video shows quite conclusively that hes walling.
bvd`sAidy
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Thu, 14 Jan 2010, 7:18 pm
Lulz. The funniest thing is trying to deny it after that video. If those aren't wallhacks, then maybe he can just see through walls naturally
sG.MaTth1as
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010, 6:03 am
I've played against Rapts loads of times and have never had any suspicions nor problems.

Although when watching Deepstack play it was made pretty obvious, perfect leading with the PG and incredible rail accuracy. Which he did then shoot at walls and floors to lower.

Rapts a great oke so I feel kinda mixed about this :<
Wonderer
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010, 9:26 am
Just to clarify. The video posted on You Tube was not using wall hacks. It is a setting in replays that showed where the other player is.

What the players are saying is that if one correlates Rapts gameplay with where the other player is, they propose that he is in fact using a wall hack and an aim bot. Gamers therefore need to make up their minds based on Rapts gameplay and not the fact that they can see the other player in the video.

Good to get some debate on this.
=BFB= qu1k_sh0t
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010, 9:48 am
I personally watched the video again. I personally based alot of what I do on audio, and positional audio in Quake Live is and can be used to determine alot.

I would have to watch an entire game, through Rapts eyes, and not just the snippets of dodge moments. I know it isn't the same, but I do similar things in COD4, if I hear movement I pre fire or pre aim where I expect him to be.

If rapts has been around for 10 years, hell he would have the experience to do such a thing. Wouldn't he?
-=NFX=- CRYTEK_Boy
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010, 10:22 am
But By Switching on the setting you can see The player being spectated following Players Characters opposite himself before he can see them and he is also quite electively keeping his weapon pointing at he's target after he's long gone

If you missed anything check the video again you'll see what i mean
Wonderer
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010, 10:33 am
This is where the aim bot accusation comes in. When Do Gaming chatted to Garth and Azul, they were adamant that an aim bot was being used to lock onto the target.

However the fact that Rapts has been around for so long and knows Quake so well makes it harder for the inexperienced eye to see because as qu1k points out, he is likely to predict his opposition’s movements through sound and knowing the maps etc.

Be great if the Quake Live players could give us their thoughts?
Wonderer
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Fri, 15 Jan 2010, 11:22 am
Had a long conversation with the QL players on IRC. Players pulled in stats from all over around Rapts game.

There was a general sentiment of surprise around his stats and numerous examples were stated of specific matches and instances that seemed odd or out of place.

Some gamers say the stats are inconclusive and that there are anomalies in all players stats. Another gamer pointed out Rapts seems to have higher accuracies against tougher opponents implying he could be using an aimbot against players he thought he would struggle against.

Other gamers said an experienced gamer would always look like he wall hacks because of his experience to sense where players are.

Players were concerned about Rapts ability to move versus his ability to make shots.

In conclusion it seems the Quake Live community is somewhat suspicious, but is very divided about whether Rapts cheated or not.
H-A-R-M
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Sat, 16 Jan 2010, 7:56 am
I have to agree with [BFB.qu1k_sh0t.iC].

I watched the video twice and there's no hint that he was wall hacking or using an aimbot.

What I've seen in the video is pure prediction based on sound and experience.

For the record, there's alot of railwhores out there with insane rail accuracy.
Moerboer
Posts: 1
Sat, 16 Jan 2010, 8:26 am
I don't see any wallhacking from that video either. Rapts has been around a long time and wasn't born yesterday. His stats doesn't suggest any foulplay either.

Keep in mind a lot of the oldschool players do play various gametypes such as InstaGib, and there is a lot of deadmeat going around on these quake live servers.

If you played duels all day long against formidable opponents then I would understand, but there doesn't seem to be any credible proof here.
bvd.r0adrunner
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Sat, 16 Jan 2010, 4:33 pm
"Rail Accuracies
DaHang: 45%
Rapha: 45%
Cooller: 47%
Shase: 44%

NDC Rapts: 53%"

That just proved it for me...

He is more accurate than the worlds best? Hmm...
sG.MaTth1as
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Sat, 16 Jan 2010, 11:21 pm
He may just love to rail. The rail accuracy alone is not grounds to accuse him of hacking. There are many local players that have rail accuracies on par with the "worlds best", Toymachine and Curious for example; have incredible rails. With regards to his prediction, I agree with quick, Jerri has been playing for 10 years, his prediction may just be experience.
Wonderer
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Mon, 18 Jan 2010, 2:07 pm
Nice comment on this from the community! Thanks guys. Curious Rail stat sitting at 45 percent. It’s certainly not based on his stats. In fact, the footage was the clincher for the guys who we interviewed as well as community members we chatted to online who were suspicious.

The key thing is that the community should discuss such things and work it through. If there is not a general consensus the player was cheating then the player should be left alone to continue playing?
[iMg]Agent
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Mon, 18 Jan 2010, 2:21 pm
Like the debate,watched the YouTube Vid myself and i honestly cant see any cheating :/ Based on what they accusing him of i thought he one shot kills every single person.But after that vid,i think hes honest.
Colkinky
Posts: 25
Mon, 18 Jan 2010, 7:25 pm
Different game same situation, by knowing the map, one gets to predict the location that a person will attack from flank from etc. For example if you look at the first enemy encounter in that video. I count several possible places to attack from. How did he know that the attacker would come from behind? he didnt. The knowledge of the map, the position of the sound, the fact that a vantage point is benificial, a possible follower etc etc gave him a general idea from where to attack.

That was only the 1st encounter...
bvd.Vitrolic
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Tue, 19 Jan 2010, 1:21 am
I was under the impression that the guys who accused him of cheating had seem him railing walls in order to make his accuracy lower.

That's why I made that comment because if that is true and his accuracy is STILL 53%, well then that is freaking dodgey.
supertramp||styckyguerilla
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Tue, 19 Jan 2010, 2:12 pm
Well, the video didn't look all that suspicious to me, at least nothing blatant...having r_shownormals 1 tends to make you think hacks because, well, YOU can see the guy.

From my experience during OSP days, Aimbot was generally quite obvious and the "hacker" tended to use insta hit weapons a lot (RG, MG, LG). The clever ones did shoot walls/randomly to offset their high accuracy as was mentioned. I couldn't see any clear indication of "lock on" or "autoshoot" but that could mean nothing

That being said, his rail accuracy is rather high when compared to his terrible movement but he may just be an aim whore. I originally thought maybe he played against newbs... which would make it easier to getter better stats but when it was said that his stats improved against tougher opponents that makes it rather more suspect.

All in all, there wasn't anything I haven't seen many other players do better or that prediction and good sound use couldn't reproduce.

However, knowing that Azul and Garth aren't nubs accusing a player of cheating just because he can rocket jump makes me wonder.

PS. Longest name ever?!
iB.Curious
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Clan: Inglourious Basterds
Tue, 19 Jan 2010, 2:18 pm
This whole thing is totally inconclusive. The video is completely retarded as well. The sound is totally out of sync, so how can anyone judge that he's hacking? As far as I know, most people actually use sound? After this video, I find myself thinking I'm totally screwed if someone accuses me of hacking, because I guessed an opponent's position and by chance had my xhair on him through a wall? His only that is decent is his rail. All other accuracies are /not/ "world class". 1 shotgun pellet hitting you counts as a hit, and is not counted pro-rata on how many bullets were actually shot. So that is also a ridiculous stat to even consider.

Then again, he could be hacking, and if he is, shame on him and he will probably never play again. He should burn for hacking.

You really can't conclusively judge from his stats or that video. Make a video of 5 whole games, where you can /see/ and you have yourself a solid case.
iB.Curious
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Tue, 19 Jan 2010, 2:28 pm
Oh ya, forgot to add. The only thing that didn't add up to me, was how terrible his movement is. That's the only reason why I think he may be hacking.
Wonderer
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Tue, 19 Jan 2010, 3:17 pm
Thanks for the post Curious. As a respected member of the Quake Live community I think your input is valuable.

Very few members of the Quake Live community are coming out to say they think he did cheat. It would seem the benefit of the doubt should be given then?
supertramp||styckyguerilla
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Tue, 19 Jan 2010, 3:39 pm
If I may give a reply?

Benefit of the doubt should always be given until proof (read: demos clearly showing hacks) is given, especially if the accused is a known player. That being said, it is not unheard of for good players to cheat (see cl0ck). The only way we'll really know is if he admits it.

Quake, as with many other games, has always been rife with accusations of hackery. If he isn't hacking, he will probably carry that label around for a while unfortunately. If he is hacking...well then, thank goodness for PunkBuster... :|
[ATF]bluNt
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Wed, 20 Jan 2010, 8:14 am
The video doesnt really give solid prooof of anything... besides his terrible movement.. quake is as much about prediction as it is about skill and map control... and almost every quake player has made a shot or two that must have looked "suspicious" to those spectating

Unfortunately it's a judgment call that will ultimately get made by the "community" i think we should think twice before "labeling" someone a hacker without solid evidence

Situations like this will often cause or "rift or break up" of a clan and its players... rather sad when you think about it..
anthem
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Wed, 20 Jan 2010, 2:03 pm
Watch out for CntStpWntStp, next big thing.
caL.pacman
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Fri, 22 Jan 2010, 4:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpsjmi52Hw8

a youtube vid made by manic, im sure most of you know it. Bei Bei

then compare the skill in the " dodgy rapts " vid to the 1 i have linked here .. then continue to bun fight

i think rapts has just put his experience to use, and is using it to pwn some nubs .. then again, im super noob at quake, and probably dont know wat im talking about.
Wonderer
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Fri, 22 Jan 2010, 5:18 pm
Well thanks for the input PaCmaN
V!S!ON
Posts: 1
Mon, 25 Jan 2010, 10:16 am
First, "very high ranking members of the Quake Live community"
is very funny. I think influential is the term.

Rapts always had a very good rail aim quake, but he also died tons.

I know for a fact that sound setups and use of sound can make a huge difference, and some people use sound much more to their advantage that it may seem like wallhacking.

I remember around 2000 when I had an aureal 3d gaming sound card with headphones that cost as much some people's car, I was called a cheater almost on a daily basis. The sound was awesome and I could tell 3d positioning of footsteps from like 50 meters away if I cranked up the volume. (not cheating)

Anywho, his raking is low so what gives?
BadBoyBubba
Posts: 2
Mon, 15 Mar 2010, 2:59 pm
"Rail Accuracies
DaHang: 45%
Rapha: 45%
Cooller: 47%
Shase: 44%

NDC Rapts: 53%"


Anyone who believes this to be conclusive evidence need to go watch (again) the video (not the demos) of the final between Rapha vs Coola at CeBIT this month..
"... they are not the most accurate ...." and that was from qualified commentators, and takes into account the stats...

... the video here in this article shows the mouse being picked up on a number of occasions (poor movement), which suggest to me an extremely low sensitivity, perfect for railing and LG..


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